10 Responses to “My tour of Mt Pleasant liquor and convenience stores”

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  1. districtchatter.com

    You are so committed. I really think you should be on that board! :)

  2. Brandon

    Seriously, that is some thorough research.

  3. fourthandeye

    Today I’ve been reading an old message board thread of about 10-15 Mt Pleasant residents bickering over repealing the single sales ban. Some are passionately against a ban.

    In interest of full disclosure I will share that MtP ANC Jack McKay does not believe in the ban and wanted it lifted this year. Although the only argument he repeatedly made was that he believes it pushes the problem to other neighborhoods. He offered no evidence just that it is impossible that such a law actually reformed problem drinkers so they MUST have went somewhere and he is against any remedies that shift problems around. He was willing to ignore the mandate from residents over this perceived ethical dilemma.

    Several readers pointed some fallacy in this line of thinking. Orange hat patrols and increased MPD foot patrols push crime out of the neighborhood rather than eliminate criminals. No one argues these are bad reforms that shouldn’t be done. Despite posting over 30 times in the thread I did not seem him indulge this question.

    To me the shifting of problems argument is weak. We’re obviously moving in the direction of a wide ban rather than a neighborhood by neighborhood approach. It started with Mt Pleasant, Fenty introduced a ban in Ward 4 when he was their CM, and now Wards 2 and 6 are joining the fold. This suggests other Wards will be able to join over time if they desire.

  4. Anonymous

    Please inform your readers that YOU voted to give an exemption to a liquor store last month. What made you chnaged you mind?

  5. fourthandeye

    False, I did not vote any such way. I attended that meeting but did not vote.

    I only learned that the Modern exemption would be on the discussion two days before the meeting. I give a lot of contemplation to these issues, but two days notice to discuss a business outside of both the Triangle and the MVSNA boundaries that I had never been to is not enough notice. I will recap the Modern discussion in a separate blog post. Probably about 5-6 days from now.

  6. Anonymous

    Why didn’t you vote “NO”?

    “but two days notice to discuss a business outside of both the Triangle and the MVSNA boundaries that I had never been to is not enough notice.”

    Two days is enough time, ten min. is enough time if you are truley not for any type of exemption.

    What is there to discuss? If you are for the ban there is no need for dicussions. It smells hypocritical and NIMBY

  7. Anonymous

    Thank you for making your investigation and doing your research. As I have posted previously, I came to the same conclusion years ago when I lived near H Street, NE. There is NO benefit to a neighborhood by single-sales that can overcome the proven detriment.

  8. fourthandeye

    @Anon 17:10 – you and I have different philosophies I suppose. I don’t freely cast precedent setting votes on quality of life issues based on 5-10 minutes of anecdotes. I research and refine my thoughts and work towards a conclusion I can defend with supporting facts.

  9. fourthandeye

    I will add that during the Modern exemption discussion at the MVSNA Nov meeting I heard no mention of ABRA forbidding the use of criteria surrounding brands of beer. The membership was told “this store sells only craft Belgian singles” but was not told brands cannot be enforced. This was later shared with the community on the Lifein Blog that RobA didn’t get the latest ABRA rules that prohibited basing decisions on brands until 11/24 (read the comments). So the decision was express trained before we even knew the rules of the game. And you wonder why I felt it prudent to delay my vote?

    I have a problem making precedent setting endorsements that hinge on information not allowed to be in the agreement.

  10. Anonymous

    @fourthandeye you and I don’t have different philosophies just different convictions to the principles I suppose.

    “The membership was told “this store sells only craft Belgian singles” but was not told brands cannot be enforced.”

    Why did you care what type of singles Modern sold? No single is no single. Have you not written that no one should get an exemption?

    So Yeah I still wonder why you didn’t vote NO.